tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post3818849980638452674..comments2023-07-07T10:56:11.083-04:00Comments on Shakespeare Geek: What Francisco SawDuane Morinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16569611828708601563noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-2914557397130529872013-11-17T22:22:42.951-05:002013-11-17T22:22:42.951-05:00P.S. Graveyard shift. Beautiful. Very, very apt. ...P.S. Graveyard shift. Beautiful. Very, very apt. <br /><br />Kjkjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14863005904313974654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-31116513107719390712013-11-17T21:50:34.249-05:002013-11-17T21:50:34.249-05:00Excellent, JM! Bravo. Yes, it seems that Marcell...Excellent, JM! Bravo. Yes, it seems that Marcellus and Bernardo saw the ghost while on watch together twice before:<br /><br />MARCELLUS<br />. . . this dreaded sight, twice seen of us<br /><br />.........................<br /><br />BERNARDO<br />. . . What we have two nights seen.<br /><br />..........................<br /><br />MARCELLUS <br />Thus twice before, and jump at this dead hour,<brkjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14863005904313974654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-33753993592292795372013-11-15T09:15:36.718-05:002013-11-15T09:15:36.718-05:00kj--all of this makes perfect sense:
"He'...kj--all of this makes perfect sense:<br /><br />"He's not. One guy (Francisco) is being relieved by one guy (Bernardo). Essentially, Marcellus is there to investigate, with Horatio, the odd goings-on that have been occurring.<br /><br />You might think that "the rivals of my watch" might mean "fellow watchmen," but it doesn't. Horatio can't really be a fellow JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099932219392937069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-18507655940355219922013-11-14T11:28:49.849-05:002013-11-14T11:28:49.849-05:00*cites.
Too much internet is bad for the differen...*cites.<br /><br />Too much internet is bad for the difference between site and cite.<br /><br />kjkjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14863005904313974654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-49741464513719387452013-11-14T11:27:47.442-05:002013-11-14T11:27:47.442-05:00I think you're on to something, S.G.
Francis...I think you're on to something, S.G. <br /><br />Francisco is a spy, sent to discover just how disjoint Denmark is.<br /><br />F for Francisco . . . <br /><br />F for Fortinbras!<br /><br />~~~<br /><br />Additionally, you ask (way up in the original post), "How come one guy is being relieved by two?"<br /><br />He's not. One guy (Francisco) is being relieved by one guy (kjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14863005904313974654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-59118702951915445212013-11-14T09:50:58.074-05:002013-11-14T09:50:58.074-05:00If Francisco looked suspiciously like a Great Dane...If Francisco looked suspiciously like a Great Dane (ha!) dressed up in a hat and an overcoat, walking on two legs like a person, then I have a theory.<br /><br />Ruh-roh.<br /><br />Duane Morinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16569611828708601563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-1830805292490782692013-11-13T20:44:56.208-05:002013-11-13T20:44:56.208-05:00Additionally, it seems that Marcellus doesn't ...Additionally, it seems that Marcellus doesn't know Francisco at all (or, at least, not that well). His line "O, farewell, honest soldier," seems to indicate that he doesn't know his name.<br /><br />Who is this Francisco anyway?<br /><br />kjkjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14863005904313974654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-43032423133831344112013-11-05T17:48:03.895-05:002013-11-05T17:48:03.895-05:00"Here, in the cheese and comfort of our eye,&..."Here, in the cheese and comfort of our eye,"<br /><br />Can't top that one. It's *too* good.<br /><br />Same for the Folio ... 'cheere' and comfort? --with an e on the end? It's so obviously 'cheese'--what else could it be? Couldn't *anyone* spell back then? To be fair, there were no dictionaries --otherwise bat boy could have looked it up. JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099932219392937069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-19962989503364266532013-11-05T16:02:32.601-05:002013-11-05T16:02:32.601-05:00This reading also answers questions about what kin...This reading also answers questions about what kind of Danish is alluded to throughout the play (it was a cheese Danish), how to classify Hamlet's Melancholy (it's a kind of Danish blues), and what Ophelia was talking about ("He seemed to find his whey without his eyes").<br /><br />But the issue of Francisco is seriously even more interesting than these dairy-related jokes (kjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14863005904313974654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-34240901358372014262013-11-05T15:45:38.460-05:002013-11-05T15:45:38.460-05:00Excellent! That also helps explain away a textual...Excellent! That also helps explain away a textual difficulty in the modern printed text. Due to eyeskip by the compositor of Q2, these lines have always been mistakenly printed. Here they are with the correction:<br /><br />And we beseech you, bend you to remain<br />Here, in the cheese and comfort of our eye,<br />Our chiefest courtier, cousin, and our son.<br /><br />kj<br /><br />kjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14863005904313974654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-71729651805028886892013-11-05T15:22:55.077-05:002013-11-05T15:22:55.077-05:00Serving stinky cheese at the wedding... Makes sens...Serving stinky cheese at the wedding... Makes sense. Always wondered what Claudius means when he says <br /><br />"O, my offense is rank, it smells to heaven."<br /><br />As I have always said, the answers are in the text.<br /><br />:) <br /> JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099932219392937069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-79356125814267031442013-11-05T13:36:28.902-05:002013-11-05T13:36:28.902-05:00Please note the additional textual evidence that s...Please note the additional textual evidence that <i>something</i> is rotten in the state of Denmark. What could it be if it's not stale cheese?<br /><br />kjkjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14863005904313974654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-72175284958230620442013-11-05T11:49:14.322-05:002013-11-05T11:49:14.322-05:00LOL
Your attempt to make a more "cheesy&quo...LOL <br /><br />Your attempt to make a more "cheesy" observation than "Sans Francisco", thus deflecting the dark onus from me re: that bit of 'humor' I attempted (if it can be so termed) with a bit of 'humour', is duly noted and appreciated.<br /><br />It's clear that Francisco has limited time in which to don his ghosty costume. He keeps repeating "JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099932219392937069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-19889500527712802252013-11-05T11:16:29.128-05:002013-11-05T11:16:29.128-05:00It's fairly clear that Francisco is "sick...It's fairly clear that Francisco is "sick at heart" because of indigestion. Let's face it, even in the modern age (with ample refrigeration and preservatives) eating the leftovers from the funeral at the wedding (if if it follows hard upon) can lead to heartburn (if not actual food poisoning).<br /><br />His line "Not a mouse stirring" provides additional evidence (askjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14863005904313974654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-48841127160443991972013-11-05T09:43:40.039-05:002013-11-05T09:43:40.039-05:00A² said: "And "i am sick at heart" ...A² said: "And "i am sick at heart" makes it even more ambiguous to me"<br /><br />Exactly. Which is why Duane's speculation is so interesting to me. And everything you and he wrote *could* possibly follow even though, as I said, what the text immediately indicates *could* make it unlikely. As Duane has indicated, the image of Francisco standing the watch by himself, JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099932219392937069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-31488734733102288732013-11-05T08:47:53.472-05:002013-11-05T08:47:53.472-05:00The ultimate question is:
Did Bernardo and Marce...The ultimate question is: <br /><br />Did Bernardo and Marcellus see the Ghost Sans Francisco?<br /><br />The answer must be no. They were in Denmark.<br /><br />--Sorry, had to.<br /> <br /><br />JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099932219392937069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-16958095688841309582013-11-05T08:25:05.550-05:002013-11-05T08:25:05.550-05:00"I think this is the first time that you like..."I think this is the first time that you liked one of my wild speculations, J! :)"<br /><br />--I don't think it's so 'wild', Duane. Shakespeare "doesn't say" and it's within the parameters of creative speculation, which is why it's so interesting. There are plenty of places in the work where such speculation is welcomed. It's supposed to spur JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099932219392937069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-73727361627410937382013-11-05T07:01:12.433-05:002013-11-05T07:01:12.433-05:00I think this is the first time that you liked one ...I think this is the first time that you liked one of my wild speculations, J! :)<br /><br />re: "would have been part of the conversation", that's why I was wondering about Francisco being alone. Bernardo knows that Marcellus saw it as well. But if Francisco saw it by himself, would he really be so quick to tell another guard "Yeah, totally saw the dead king's ghost. Duane Morinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16569611828708601563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-41947152736327305632013-11-05T04:07:49.962-05:002013-11-05T04:07:49.962-05:00Interesting post, thanks.
And "i am sick at ...Interesting post, thanks. <br />And "i am sick at heart" makes it even more ambiguous to me : <br />=> only the "pure at heart" can see the ghost ?<br />=> he saws it too and has become sick at heart ?<br />Anyway, he could be a nice rich way to play this ambiguity, all the more since it's past midnight already.A²noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13529575.post-54998286577880237472013-11-04T20:59:35.475-05:002013-11-04T20:59:35.475-05:00How come one guy is being relieved by two?
--Acto... How come one guy is being relieved by two?<br /><br />--Actor salary/budget limitations.<br /><br />Second question - do you think Francisco saw the ghost?<br /><br />A very interesting question in terms of interpretation, but the answer is probably no according to the text. Both Bernardo and Marcellus separately mention that they ("we") have seen it, meaning they who stand watch JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099932219392937069noreply@blogger.com